Surrendering to the Lordship of Jesus Christ
Why I’m NOT Voting for Mitt Romney (& with a clear conscience)
Posted on September 24, 2012
There was a time when I would have questioned someone’s patriotism or dedication to righteousness if they did not vote for the Republican candidate. I’ve only voted in three previous presidential elections, but I remember each time accusing other Christians of failing in their civic duty and Christian responsibility to “vote for the person Jesus would vote for”. I was influenced by American Christian tradition and religious right-wing conservatism to believe that the Democratic party was the evil of all evils and we mustn’t let them win an election at all costs.As if there was a divine imperative for the Christian community to keep liberals out of the White House because humanity would be destroyed if this happened, I did my patriotic duty to vote for the Republican. Interestingly enough, I was a false convert during those days, so it’s somewhat comical to consider some of the arguments I used to persuade other Christians they were sinning for not voting for the right guy (or because they chose to not vote at all). I now find myself on the other side of the fence in the not-voting-for-the-Republican-either category, which is one reason why I posted this article as a “pre-article” to this one (please be sure to read that as it addresses common arguments some are using to persuade Christians to vote for Mitt Romney).
I’ve delayed writing this article because I’ve struggled with the necessity to do so, sometimes just wanting to forget about it, delete the first article, keep my opinion to myself, and move on. But as I am not the only one struggling with what to do this November, I conclude that it may be helpful for others to “hear my thoughts” on the matter as to why I am voting against the conservative, religious-right norm.
So without further delay, here are the reasons I will not be voting for Mitt Romney in 2012:
1. Mormonism
Some Christians do not see a problem with voting for a Mormon. I know there are godly men and women who consider Romney’s Mormonism to not be an issue for them, and that is OK. However, Romney’s Mormonism is an issue for me. It is not just that Mitt Romney is a Mormon, or “lay Mormon”, or a Mormon who might not really understand all there is to know about Mormonism (I heard people make this excuse for Glenn Beck a couple years ago), but Mitt Romney is a Mormon of Mormons. In fact, according to Boston.com,
Romney was a bishop in the Boston suburb of Belmont, a job akin to the pastor of a congregation. He then served as a stake president, the top Mormon authority in his region, which meant he presided over several congregations in a district similar to a diocese…He counseled Latter-day Saints on their most personal concerns, regarding marriage, parenting, finances and faith.So Mitt Romney is no ordinary Mormon. He knows the Mormon faith inside and out, and if he is faithful to the Mormon religion as it appears he is, we can assume his Mormon beliefs will inform his decision-making in all areas of life, including leadership as the President of the United States of America. Informing decisions is what worldviews do, and my understanding of Romney’s Mormon worldview precludes me from voting for him.
In an effort to keep this article as short as possible, I will simply refer you to a few items for you to research on your own:
Mormons believe the Constitution of the United States is a divinely inspired document:
We say that God is true; that the Constitution of the United States is true; that the Bible is true; that the Book of Mormon is true; that the Book of Covenants is true; that Christ is true; that the ministering angels sent forth from God are true, and that we know that we have an house not made with hands eternal in the heavens, whose builder and maker is God.Mormons believe God was once a man, and they shall become gods themselves:
Here, then, is eternal life–to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power. And I want you to know that God, in the last days, while certain individuals are proclaiming his name, is not trifling with you or me.Mormons believe a day is coming that the U.S. Constitution will be in jeopardy, and prophecy will be fullfilled when the elders of the Mormon church save it from destruction:
It was Joseph Smith who has been quoted as having said that the time would come when the Constitution would hang as by a thread and at that time when it was thus in jeopardy, the elders of this Church would step forth and save it from destruction.To understand in depth the theological errors of Mormonism, please see the following:
Why the elders of this Church? Would it be sacrilegious to paraphrase the words of the Apostle Peter, and say that the Constitution of the United States could be saved by the elders of this Church because this Church and this Church alone has the words of eternal life? We alone know by revelation as to how the Constitution came into being, and we, alone, know by revelation the destiny of this nation. The preservation of “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” can be guaranteed upon no other basis than upon a sincere faith and testimony of the divinity of these teachings.
Christian Research Network – Mormonism
CARM – Mormonism and the Atonement of Jesus Christ
airō - Cults and World Religions
2. Deception in the Church
More than Mitt Romney’s Mormon worldview, the undercurrent of deception through the mainstreaming of Mormonism precludes me from voting for him in November. This has been a concern of mine for a couple of years ever since I began observing the pluralistic religious right movement to “awaken America” from her moral decline. We’ve seen it with Rick Perry and the New Apostolic Reformation, and more popularly with Glenn Beck’s revival events. Glenn Beck has been a spearhead in this movement as he leads the charge of the religious right to “restore America” (most recently at the Under God Indivisible and Restoring Love events). In this video clip and subsequent article, you will see Glenn Beck, joined by prominent evangelicals applauding him, as he invokes the name of Jesus Christ as if he worships the same Jesus as Christians.
But it’s not just Glenn Beck who is bringing Mormons, Christians, Catholics, and Jews together under the banner of the same God, we are seeing it take place from the political pulpit. Take, for instance, the following prayer offered by Ken Hutchins, who is the current Mormon Stake President of Boston, at the 2012 Republican National Convention. I can only imagine how many Christians unequally yoked themselves with Hutchins unknowingly:
All that you have heard here at Liberty University – about trusting in God and in His purpose for each of us–makes for more than a good sermon. It makes for a good life.Or how about on September 8, 2012, when Romney made the following promise in Virginia Beach:
I will not take God out of the name of our platform. I will not take God off our coins and I will not take God out of my heart. We’re a nation that’s bestowed by God.These are just a couple of examples of Mitt Romney invoking the Christian God and how Mormonism is being so widely accepted by mainline Christianity. Mormons are good about using Christian terms, and they can oftentimes sound Christian, but their definitions of these terms can be wildly opposed to their true definitions (consider “grace”, for example, by comparing Ephesians 2:8-10 and Nephi 25:23). So what are the ramifications of the Christian Right’s embrace of Mitt Romney? Just recently, Erin Benziger, co-editor of the Christian Research Network, reported on the ramifications of Kirk Cameron’s relationship with Glenn Beck where one person made the following comment on facebook:
Mormons are definitely Christians. You are more than welcome to check out http://mormon.org/jesus-christ – it will answer any question about what Mormons believe! Besides, I love that Kirk is cool with being friends with people that don’t believe exactly what he believes. That, to me, is truly being a Christian (source).My concern for the days ahead is that many people will be deceived into believing Mormonism is just another denomination or branch of Christianity. We are already seeing Christians yoking themselves in prayer and spiritual endeavors to “reclaim America”, and I believe this will only get worse as we near election day (and even worse if Romney is elected).
Truthfully, I believe the Lord is using this deception in His sovereign plan to judge the nations before Christ returns. We are living in a day where the invisible Church, the True Church of Jesus Christ comprised of God’s regenerate sheep, is getting smaller and smaller, relatively speaking. The visible church, which is comprised of regenerate sheep and unregenerate goats who profess Christ, is getting larger as liberalism, postmodernism, ecumenism, and pluralism infiltrate the church and redefine truth as it is in Jesus Christ. Satan is hard at work deceiving people with compromised gospels that do not save and seducing the world into believing all roads lead to heaven, or that God is a supernatural force within all people, or that God does not exist at all. As a result, the church has become more inclusive and is full of apostates and goats who hate the truth and love unrighteousness (see 2 Timothy 4:3-4; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12).
Through the work of patriotic idolatry that has taken place over the last few years, America is ripe for judgment in her spiritual fornication, and sadly, this has largely been cultured by right-wing Christian activists committing adultery on the Gospel with their political agendas.
My perception is that when Mitt Romney talks of restoring America in God’s name, and he wants my help in putting him in office so that America can get back on track, he’s asking me to join him in spiritual enterprise. 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 warns against this, so I want nothing to do with putting Mitt Romney in office.
3. Mitt Romney is not pro-life
Finally, Mitt Romney’s Mormonism aside, there is a single issue that precludes me from voting for him: Romney is not 100% pro-life. This is an absolute deal-breaker for me. Even if Romney and I agreed on everything else, the fact that he makes exceptions for abortion due to rape or incest prohibits me to vote for him.
Up until last month, it was not clear to me where Romney stood on the sanctity of life. I had heard he was a flip-flopper and was only pro-life for political points. Everything finally came into perspective when the controversy broke in August surrounding Rep. Todd Akin’s remarks on rape and abortion. In response to Rep. Akin’s comments, the Romney campaign immediately distanced themselves with the following:
Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape (source).Romney is unapologetic in his emphatic support of abortion in the cases of rape and incest, shown at minute 2:15 in this video posted on December 9, 2011. This should really not be a surprise for us as the Mormon Church also makes this exception:
Church leaders have said that some exceptional circumstances may justify an abortion, such as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, when the life or health of the mother is judged by competent medical authority to be in serious jeopardy, or when the fetus is known by competent medical authority to have severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth. But even these circumstances do not automatically justify an abortion. Those who face such circumstances should consider abortion only after consulting with their local Church leaders and receiving a confirmation through earnest prayer (source).If one ever wondered whether Romney’s Mormon worldview would inform his decision making, I believe this is a significant indication that it does.
This single issue alone is enough for me to not vote for Mitt Romney, and with a clear conscience. For I am an abolitionist, which means principle trumps pragmatism, and I will not compromise biblical conviction for the sake of political gain. If a candidate is not 100% pro-life and does not seek the abolition of abortion, then he will never get my vote, regardless of where he stands on other issues
(EDIT: The Abolish Human Abortion blog just posted the following article that is very timely and very relevant to this article. If you would like to further understand why I, and all abolitionists, cannot vote for candidates such as Mitt Romney, please see An Abolitionist’s Voting Guide).
Conclusion
In April, Tony Miano posted the following thought on his Cross Encounters blog:
If we can learn anything from this year’s presidential election, based on the qualities of the challengers and the incumbent from which we have to choose, it is this: as with Israel of old, God is punishing the United States of America by giving her the leadership she wants (1 Samuel 19-22). He is exercising His holy wrath of abandonment against a nation that has turned away from Him and hates Him (Romans 1:18-32). Join me in praying for our nation. Pray the United States of America repents of her wickedness and unholy standards and turns to Jesus Christ.Praying for our leaders is something I have lacked in. I am repenting from disobeying this clear command in Scripture, and I ask you to join me especially if you also have failed in your responsibility to pray for our leaders. Tony’s exhortation above is rooted in the following from 1 Timothy 2:1-4:
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, 2for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. 3This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.We are to not only pray for the leaders of our church, but all leaders in authority over us at the local, state, and federal level. These are kings and those in high positions, and we are to pray for them that we would lead peaceful and quiet lives. But not only that, but God desires all kinds of people to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. Sinners in low places and high places, and all kinds of people in between, must by grace alone repent from their sins and place their faith alone in Jesus Christ alone in order to receive eternal life. Let us pray that Barack Obama and Mitt Romney would come to the end of themselves and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.
As Tony, I also believe our current choices in the presidential election are God’s judgment on this nation for her love of wickedness. While I will not be voting for either candidate, I do have a responsibility to pray for them that God would give them “the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ” (2 Corinthians 4:4-6).
Do not let others bully you into voting according to their convictions this November. You have your own convictions, and through prayer and studying these things for yourself, you can honor the Lord in what you decide. Whatever your decision, let it not be for the sake of America, but for the sake of the glory of God.
p.s. I invite you to watch the following documentary of eight former Latter-day Saints who share about their life-changing encounter with the one and only true Living God, the Lord Jesus Christ (more information at Unveiling Grace):
44 Responses “Why I’m NOT Voting for Mitt Romney (& with a clear conscience)” →
I did not finish reading your post (kinda over the top with justifications of your thinking) and will probable drop it. I understand that voting for Romney because he is Mormon so you really should not vote at all and maybe if you convince enough of your post followers they will do the same. Does mean you are not voting for Barack Obama? You need to write a post on the truths you find about him. Pray about it God answers. But I do have some questions for you. I do not give a hankers damn about what party wins (since you went way out of your way to villeinize Republicans) I care about a candidate who at least believes in God albeit not the way I believe, which wow, is called freedom of religion. The present person occupying the White House says he believes in God too but I question which God or Allah. His actions speak the latter. His actions also speak of stopping free speech, stopping freedom of expression, stopping freedom of religion, stopping the freedom of owning a gun (if I choose to), and taking the money I have worked hard for and giving it to those who are less fortunate. I give through my church and community organizations and feel the government needs to keep their grubby hand off what I work for. And this administration says it is for our, the peoples good. I do notice what is good for the people is not good for him, his family, or his cronies, just the rest of us. Kinda reminds me of the company I once worked for that changed the rules on sick days because we the employees wanted it not them which was a lie as what this administration is doing lying. You are correct in one thing we need to pray. Pray for forgiveness for this country turning it’s back on God, pray for our churches who have watered does the gospel, pray for the sick, for the hurting, pray for our military who are over defending what this administration is doing with our country, pray for our neighbors, pray for our enemies, and yes pray for our leaders. I have to say I honestly have a problem with the last one and I have discussions with God almost daily about it. I do know God put him in office, I believe to wake us up. Part of us are awake but the rest are not, I truly am not sure about you, only you know, I am not to judge but I can decide like you who I will listen to and who I will not and ask the Holy Spirit to give me discernment. There are a lot of discussions going on of voting for Romney because he is a Mormon but I have peace with voting for him because he believes in the same God I believe in. What I do not understand is why there are not more discussions on voting for a man whose actions show he is not a believer in my God nor has he any respect or love for America. I know my God is in control and if he wants Obama to finish destroying America then it will be and I will accept this as our judgement to be perfectly honest we deserve it.
Amen brother! Great piece…I have been in some deep, hard conversations on this very topic. Thank you for focusing your amazing wordsmithing skills on this potentially divisive issue!
OK for some reason my comment didn’t go through the first time and i dont recall everything that i had wanted to say, so i will make it short here: I agree with you Bro and that I won’t be voting for Mitt Romney either however i think maybe stopping by the polls to vote (even a write in vote or third party candidate) so that it won’t be a no-vote/obama vote for me. I am a Libertarian and dont’ particularly would vote for either Romney or Obama at this point.
Great post though
Great post though
UPDATE: I made the following edit under Reason #3: (EDIT: The Abolish Human Abortion blog just posted the following article that is very timely and very relevant to this article. If you would like to further understand why I, and all abolitionists, cannot vote for candidates such as Mitt Romney, please see An Abolitionist’s Voting Guide).
Great post brother. Thank you for sharing these truths. You are a light in the dark. Thank you! Also, I believe you can write in a vote. Also the polling stations are great places to hand out Gospel tracts to people walking in. Love your zeal and your clear and precise delivery in sharing your thoughts. Soli Deo Gloria!
Excellent. Democracy itself is pagan and a form of humanism. Its roots go back to the humanistic Greeks. Voting is an outward practice that supports a fallen system. Some trust in horses, some trust in chariots, some trust in politics, but we will trust in the name of our Lord!
discernment, discernment, discernment – thanks for the post about writing in a name so it will not be for obama – i cannot vote for either of the candidates – if we think about it – Our Master did not vote or get involved in the political scene in His days on earth – We KNOW Who is in control of our leaders even if it is to judge our nations. it is time to get to really KNOW who is in control and trust HIM through these dark days ahead.
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Stump I wasn’t aware there was any voting in Jesus’ day. God will put in charge who he wants in charge with everyone here agrees with but did you ever stop to think that maybe God wants us to make a decision too.
So you aren’t voting for Romney because he’s not 100% pro-life but will try to influence others to put Obama back in office. Obama, who is 100% pro-choice! What a hypocrite you are!! If Obama goes back in office you won’t have any freedoms left. You should take the shield off your eyes and see that Romney is the lesser of the two evils. He believes in God and keeping our Constitution. While I might not agree with everything Romney stand for, I do believe he loves our country and wants to get us back on track. Obama is anti- American and is doing everything he can to destroy us. You say you will write in your choice on the ballot, well that is a vote for Obama. You and all your followers should go see the movie, Obama’s America 2016 before Election Day. You might see what Obama is doing to destroy us!
“If Obama goes back in office you won’t have any freedoms left.” – Joyce
Joyce, I hope you will come to an understanding that, as Christians, our freedoms are in Christ, not a country. Watch the Lord work and then keep your eyes and ears open for opportunities to minister, no matter who wins. Either way, Christians will be at the forefront as many disillusioned Americans try to figure out what just happened. Be ready to minister. God is the one who sets up the mission field and determines how He would like us to enter it. I’m excited that all this is happening. Come, Lord Jesus!
Joyce, I hope you will come to an understanding that, as Christians, our freedoms are in Christ, not a country. Watch the Lord work and then keep your eyes and ears open for opportunities to minister, no matter who wins. Either way, Christians will be at the forefront as many disillusioned Americans try to figure out what just happened. Be ready to minister. God is the one who sets up the mission field and determines how He would like us to enter it. I’m excited that all this is happening. Come, Lord Jesus!
This is a foolish statement to make. For one, Mitt Romney is in fact pro life. For another, he may not be the best choice but he’s far better than his opponent, Obama. So if you would rather Obama, who has caused more havoc then I even care to start on, and someone who is willing to totally deplete God, then you must not be too strong of a Christian at all. And by not voting, you’re basically putting a vote in Obamas pocket.
“[Romney] may not be the best choice but he’s far better than his opponent, Obama.” – Alyssa
Alyssa, in God’s eyes, both candidates hate Him and both are actively sinning against Him. How is believing that God was once a mere man who had sex with Mary and became a god (among many) better than Obama’s beliefs?
“And by not voting, you’re basically putting a vote in Obamas pocket.” -Alyssa
Well, if I were a Democrat and I told my Democrat friends that I was not voting for Obama or not voting at all, they would say, “And by not voting, you’re basically putting a vote in Romney’s pocket.” See, it works both ways.
It seems that you are looking to be able to continue in a relatively comfortable life; yet, you say Justin “must not be too strong a Christian…” Alyssa, it is the strong Christian who knows that this world is passing away. It is the strong Christian who knows that his citizenship is in Heaven, not on this earth. It is the strong Christian who knows that his life is hid with Christ in God. It is the strong Christian who needn’t worry about what happens tomorrow. It is the strong Christian who has his eyes on the heavens, not on the White House. It is the strong Christian who sees all that is going on in the world and rejoices that God is unfolding His plans just as He said He would in His Word. It is the strong Christian who rejoices in hardships and trials. It is the strong Christian who will be pressured and buffeted by the enemy, yet rejoice for God’s glory. Is is the strong Christian who doesn’t want the easy way out, but the Godly road no matter how hard.
Alyssa, in God’s eyes, both candidates hate Him and both are actively sinning against Him. How is believing that God was once a mere man who had sex with Mary and became a god (among many) better than Obama’s beliefs?
“And by not voting, you’re basically putting a vote in Obamas pocket.” -Alyssa
Well, if I were a Democrat and I told my Democrat friends that I was not voting for Obama or not voting at all, they would say, “And by not voting, you’re basically putting a vote in Romney’s pocket.” See, it works both ways.
It seems that you are looking to be able to continue in a relatively comfortable life; yet, you say Justin “must not be too strong a Christian…” Alyssa, it is the strong Christian who knows that this world is passing away. It is the strong Christian who knows that his citizenship is in Heaven, not on this earth. It is the strong Christian who knows that his life is hid with Christ in God. It is the strong Christian who needn’t worry about what happens tomorrow. It is the strong Christian who has his eyes on the heavens, not on the White House. It is the strong Christian who sees all that is going on in the world and rejoices that God is unfolding His plans just as He said He would in His Word. It is the strong Christian who rejoices in hardships and trials. It is the strong Christian who will be pressured and buffeted by the enemy, yet rejoice for God’s glory. Is is the strong Christian who doesn’t want the easy way out, but the Godly road no matter how hard.
Hey Justin – thanks for posting this. it is causing a huge debate on our FaceBook page. One day soon, the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of our God and all this nonsense will be finished
I echo Steve Lumbley’s comments, Justin. Thank you for such a bold and well-researched post – it’s time the Church stopped making unholy alliances and starting preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His Kingdom – not the false gospel of ‘taking back America for God’, which preaches worldly prosperity, condemnation of sinners, chick-fil-a attendance, and an hour (at best) every week to show up, shake a hand or two, deposit a tithe (for a tax break), and go home feeling just dandy about right standing before God.
Come out from among them, and be ye separate! – Ron Underwood
Come out from among them, and be ye separate! – Ron Underwood
Your tunnel vision is well intended but self righteous, self serving and naive. We are not voting for a theologian or a national pastor. We are voting for a manager of the affairs of this country. Obama’s position on Israel, alone, puts us in God’s cross hairs, “I will bless those who bless Israel and I will curse those who curse Israel”. We have never had a more blatantly godless man than Obama in the White house.
I’m a physician. Tell me, if you needed open heart surgery would you prefer the world’s most recognized talented atheist or a poorly trained, substandard “Christian” physician?
Again, I believe your position is dangerously naive.
John R. Coon, MD
I’m a physician. Tell me, if you needed open heart surgery would you prefer the world’s most recognized talented atheist or a poorly trained, substandard “Christian” physician?
Again, I believe your position is dangerously naive.
John R. Coon, MD
I read your post this morning and with the gentlest of spirits I have to say that I disagree with you on this matter. Unfortunately many people are under the belief that our nation was founded on God, when in fact it was founded on freedom of religion. People came to America to escape the Catholic church who was executing and torturing the Protestants for their religious beliefs. America was founded on a freedom to practice religion without persecution and I’m thankful to live in a place where I’m free to do so. In few other countries would you even be free to express these beliefs that you have and I am thankful that that’s the case. Morality is often confused with true biblical conversion and while many of our founding fathers did indeed hold to what would be deemed Godly principles, they were themselves in fact complete hedonists and many engaged in complete debauchery in their private lives. many of them, were not , it would seem, true converts of the faith. ( This is not true of course for all of them)So in reality we have never had, and never will have, a candidate that “Jesus would vote for” I agree 100% with the views you stated of Mitt Romney and there contrary nature to scripture. We should pray whole heartedly that the Lord would bring about true conversion in his heart, as we should with every non believer. But for me, who I vote for in the election has nothing to do with religion. Because we aren’t here to change the culture. We’re here to reach the hearts of men on an individual level. We will never be led by a truly godly leader until Christ returns. My political view is exactly that, political. I’m not concerned with the religious views of the candidate, because there will never be one i agree with until Christ returns and it is he himself (not a candidate but I mean to say the one and only ruler of the nation of believers) What I am concerned with is, will this person create jobs, will he make it so that my husband who received a masters degree and went $100,000 in debt to attain it, can earn the money that is education should alot him instead of having a one class system. Will this person give me the freedom to worship my God and boldly proclaim his gospel without persecution. Will he cut taxes and spending and create jobs. Will he keep our government one of democracy, or seek to take away my freedoms with a socialist government. In my mind, this is not an election based on religion. It’s an election based on politics. I think we have to be careful in giving the impression that if we are convicted not to vote because of a candidates belief, that we are not conveying that it is sin to do otherwise, or that we are somehow spiritually enlightened in a way that others are not. You can have an opinion, and I can have an opinion, and neither one is sin. I think John MacArthur sums up my own convictions in one of his excellent sermons. I think it’s a wonderful resource to have a better understanding of what those who would disagree with your ideas do believe and the convictions that they would hold to. You can find it here….
http://www.gty.org/products/audio-lessons/56-24/The-Christians-Responsibility-in-a-Pagan-Society-Part-2
(it says its $5 but then there is a link below it where you click and can listen to it online for free. it can also be found on the Grace to You app under the series “A Radical Alternative to Political Activism” It is Part 2
http://www.gty.org/products/audio-lessons/56-24/The-Christians-Responsibility-in-a-Pagan-Society-Part-2
(it says its $5 but then there is a link below it where you click and can listen to it online for free. it can also be found on the Grace to You app under the series “A Radical Alternative to Political Activism” It is Part 2
Your piece reminded me of a story I heard in church a few years back. Maybe you heard it also. It’s about the Christian man stranded on a small island in the middle of the ocean and he prays to God to be rescued. I don’t remember the story entirely but it goes something like this………he prays to God to rescue him and after a while a boat comes by but he waves it on. A bit later a helicopter flys over and again he waves it on. Eventually the man died and went to heaven and when he got there he said to God “I prayed for you to rescue me – why didn’t you? and God’s answer was “I sent you a boat and a helicopter”.
I’m grateful every day that I was born in this country. This country that lets me go to a Christian church and worship freely. I can go to restaurant and give thanks over my meal, put a Jesus bumper sticker on my car, wear a cross around my neck, take my Bible with me wherever I go, turn on TV and find at least three stations that are putting out the gospel of Jesus Christ….same with the radio. I could go on but I think you get my point. This is possible because of our “founding fathers” many of who were Godly. My guess is most, possibly none, would not meet your criteria. But I know (and I think you know) that God’s hand was on this nation when it was formed.
There is a spiritual side to everything. EVERYTHING. Do you buy your groceries from a Christian store or farm? How about your clothes or shoes? Where did you buy your car? Your furniture? Do you use a Christian Internet service or is it some company that supports abortion and same sex marriage? Do you fly on airplanes or use trains? Who made the appliances that you use in your house? Who do you buy your electricity from or where do you get gas for your car? Where did you buy your computer…from a Christian store? Do you ever go to restaurants?…..are they Christian? Do you take vacations to “Christian only”? When you partake in all these things, you are supporting them. We are Christians in a secular world. But it is a world we can influence whether it be by prayer or witnessing or voting. And, like it or not, not voting is voting. Romney just may be that boat or helicopter. And you sir are a pious hypocrite.
I’m grateful every day that I was born in this country. This country that lets me go to a Christian church and worship freely. I can go to restaurant and give thanks over my meal, put a Jesus bumper sticker on my car, wear a cross around my neck, take my Bible with me wherever I go, turn on TV and find at least three stations that are putting out the gospel of Jesus Christ….same with the radio. I could go on but I think you get my point. This is possible because of our “founding fathers” many of who were Godly. My guess is most, possibly none, would not meet your criteria. But I know (and I think you know) that God’s hand was on this nation when it was formed.
There is a spiritual side to everything. EVERYTHING. Do you buy your groceries from a Christian store or farm? How about your clothes or shoes? Where did you buy your car? Your furniture? Do you use a Christian Internet service or is it some company that supports abortion and same sex marriage? Do you fly on airplanes or use trains? Who made the appliances that you use in your house? Who do you buy your electricity from or where do you get gas for your car? Where did you buy your computer…from a Christian store? Do you ever go to restaurants?…..are they Christian? Do you take vacations to “Christian only”? When you partake in all these things, you are supporting them. We are Christians in a secular world. But it is a world we can influence whether it be by prayer or witnessing or voting. And, like it or not, not voting is voting. Romney just may be that boat or helicopter. And you sir are a pious hypocrite.
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Beautifully said Mary Ann, thank you.
Mary Ann, I am sorry to see you demonstrating the very things I addressed in this article: http://airocross.com/2012/09/11/addressing-arguments-to-vote-for-mitt-romney/
Mr. Edwards,
I agree with your post. I would be interested in your position if Romney were a practicing, devout Roman Catholic. Could you then vote for him? As a former Roman Catholic, now saved by grace, and as one who attempts to make our congregation aware of the extreme deception of that religion, I would have a hard time voting for a Roman Catholic as well. However, I am not sure if that is in the same realm as voting for a Mormon of Romney’s stature. My husband and I feel that the false doctrines and belief in “another Jesus” may prohibit voting for either a practicing R.Catholic or Mormon, regardless of a pro-life stand. Would you vote for a pro-life atheist candidate before voting for either a Roman Catholic or Mormon? I don’t wish to deviate from the discussion, but I am honestly interested in your opinion. Thank you!
I agree with your post. I would be interested in your position if Romney were a practicing, devout Roman Catholic. Could you then vote for him? As a former Roman Catholic, now saved by grace, and as one who attempts to make our congregation aware of the extreme deception of that religion, I would have a hard time voting for a Roman Catholic as well. However, I am not sure if that is in the same realm as voting for a Mormon of Romney’s stature. My husband and I feel that the false doctrines and belief in “another Jesus” may prohibit voting for either a practicing R.Catholic or Mormon, regardless of a pro-life stand. Would you vote for a pro-life atheist candidate before voting for either a Roman Catholic or Mormon? I don’t wish to deviate from the discussion, but I am honestly interested in your opinion. Thank you!
Glad to hear your response. I would like to clarify that I am not saying that preaching Christ with persecution is a bad thing. I simply believe we are very blessed to live in a nation where we have the freedom to proclaim the gospel and its one we should be thankful for as many others do not have this. I just wanted to make sure i did not communicate that unclearly and give you an impression that I view otherwise. I hoped in my comment to convey a gentle spirit, one that respects your belief, but has my own very different one. I posted the John MacArthur sermon not out of a heart of looking down on you or my own pride. But out of a heart of conveying more accurately what my position is. That people can decide to vote Romney not out of a “lesser of two evils” mentality, but out of their own biblical convictions which are also deeply rooted in scripture. I think, perhaps unintentionally, there is a harness in many of your responses that conveys a sense of talking down to. I really felt a bit belittled by your reply. I think in all our conversations we should remember that “pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones” I truly hope that my comment was given in a God honoring way and please forgive me if my communication was not a reflection of this verse. I believe it to be such a blessing to be able to have humble discussions like these regarding the gospel. My aim was not to engage in an “i prove my point, you prove your’s” argument. Please forgive me if my language in anyway conveyed this.
Romney will not be divorced from his Mormon faith and neither will a biblical Christian be divorced from his Christian faith. It really is a spiritual issue. Thanks for a good article. Glad to see others coming forward about why they can’t vote for Romney.
It is precisely this sort of thinking that will put Obama back in the White House. To not vote for his opponent results in a plus 1 for Obama. To restrict your support to one who agrees with your doctrine – is simply naive, and irresponsible. This pro-life position is also naive. We have had profoundly prolife presidents (Reagan) – but nothing changed. That is a Supreme Court issue, not a president issue. However, it it the president who decides who will become a new Supreme Court justice. Do you really want Obama to choose the next one? With your thinking, he will be – God help us.
We are not electing a spiritual leader. Given the two choices, your decision to give Obama a plus 1 advantage is almost miraculously hypocritical, given your stated concerns. This man is out to destroy the country and take away your freedoms – yet you would give him the advantage.
God help us, and God help you.
We are not electing a spiritual leader. Given the two choices, your decision to give Obama a plus 1 advantage is almost miraculously hypocritical, given your stated concerns. This man is out to destroy the country and take away your freedoms – yet you would give him the advantage.
God help us, and God help you.
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Hello again – I will do my best to answer your questions.
I find your position irresponsible because as a leader, you are clearly promoting the wisdom of a position which strengthens Obama’s likelihood of getting a second term.
As far as your prolife position being naive, let me try to explain it with an illustration. If you were asked to decide between two people – and they had previously committed to these positions: one man ensured the murder of 100 people. One man ensured the saving of 99 of those 100 people. To take an “all or nothing” position would, at worst, ensure the death of all 100. I know you’d rather save 99 than zero.
You do not know me, so your accusation that I have no understanding of God’s sovereignty is a guess. In fact, you are wrong. It is one of those issues that is impossible to reconcile in terms of freedom of choice – but somehow, I know that while God is sovereign, He also holds me accountable for my choices. Imagine how things might have gone if Esther held the view that “hey, what happens is ultimately God’s will – so I don’t need to try and work this out by using every option available to me”. She did take action; people did pray; things worked out; God is sovereign! The Bible is filled with examples of God’s people taking action.
In my state, my vote truly won’t make any difference. But in yours – it could be extremely close. Somehow, God weaves His plan and our choices together – and I believe that this is potentially a case where “good men doing nothing” could have devastating results. There is a time to be wise as serpents…. And I plead with every one of your readers: please do not support Obama by NOT canceling a vote that someone else cast for him.
Finally sir, Please do not make a judgement as to my knowledge and commitment to Biblical truth because I don’t agree with you.
I tremble for this country.
I am sorry that you found my previous post to be offensive.
While not into politics too much, I find both leading candidates for President to be unbiblical choices. The nature of politics is compromise and for that reason, I never see a true disciple of Jesus being elected President of the United States. How would he/she rule? By the lenses of Scripture or the Constitution? How would he/she stand for biblical morality, biblical holiness, biblical salvation, etc. as President of all people of the United States?
Ultimately, the child of God can rest in knowing that God is sovereign and He allows leaders and He puts down leaders (Daniel 4:32). “The king’s heart is a stream of water in the hand of the LORD; he turn it wherever he will” (Proverbs 21:1). Our duty before God is to submit to the government that He has placed us under so long as that government does not go against His Word (Romans 13:1-7). Titus 3:1-7 tells disciples of Jesus to live godly lives before the pagans understanding that we too once lived as they do but thanks to HIs grace, He has saved us. Let us pray for our leaders to repent and be saved (1 Timothy 2:1-6).
Ultimately, the child of God can rest in knowing that God is sovereign and He allows leaders and He puts down leaders (Daniel 4:32). “The king’s heart is a stream of water in the hand of the LORD; he turn it wherever he will” (Proverbs 21:1). Our duty before God is to submit to the government that He has placed us under so long as that government does not go against His Word (Romans 13:1-7). Titus 3:1-7 tells disciples of Jesus to live godly lives before the pagans understanding that we too once lived as they do but thanks to HIs grace, He has saved us. Let us pray for our leaders to repent and be saved (1 Timothy 2:1-6).
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Look at our Churches today, the apostasy, the denominations that are unBiblical, the music, feminism, woman Pastors, prosperity teaching and the list goes on. We look more like the world than ever before, why? Because we choose not to read,study and obey God’s Holy Word. We’ve twisted God’s Holy Scripture to make say what we want and have become “luke warm.” But Jesus did say these things were gonna happen in the last days. In the last days we are in! So buckle up Church, cry out to our merciful Lord and repent! Pray and Fast for our leaders, our Nation and the World! Be bold and courageous in telling others about Christ, its what Jesus commands us to do!
As far as voting for these candidates, PRAY!
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray , and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14